Where did the DCE Superman come from?

Recently my friends on twitter sent me this page from Jim Lee’s blog.  It is dated December 20, 2004.  This is 6 years after he sold Wildstorm to DC Comics and 6 years before he became co-publisher of DC Entertainment.

Here is the interview.

Fans of Superman know of Brian Azzarello’s “For Tomorrow” story drawn by Jim Lee.  They are especially familiar with Superman embracing his wife, Lois Lane in the air.   If you saw the cover for Justice League #12 in the new 52, you know Jim Lee used that panel to replace Lois Lane with Wonder Woman.

Despite the fact Azz didn’t like the Kent marriage, he never allowed the fauxmance in his new 52 Wonder Woman 3 year run.  Clark/Superman was neither mentioned nor appeared in that book.

Here are some excerpts from the interview which shows what Jim Lee thinks of Superman and Clark Kent.  Please read the interview in it’s entirety to garner your own insights and opinions.

Why we got a battling alien without human connections:

I think when you talk about pacing…yer really talking about action…that some fans feel there isn’t enough action…but there’s plenty of drama.

Let me say I wasn’t a big fan of the Superman as Everyman take. That he is like you and me but just purer or more noble. I think that takes the mystique out of what he truly is–which is stranger from an alien planet who feels at home but isn’t. Like an immigrant may feel…like me heh.

Clark Kent is the Everyman part of Superman. — me

How can a man who flies nearly as fast as the speed of light and been to other dimensions relate to a guy like me? Superman in real life would be bored sitting around waiting for Lois to cook him some bacon for breakfast–I know that sounds sexist…it’s a joke–work with me…

Clark Kent is how readers relate to the superbeing from another planet. — creators such as Mark Waid and others.

The one thing I would change if I had that ability to go back in time and undo things is…I wouldn’t have Clark and Lois be married. That said, I think you can still do some kickass stories with them married, but the triangular relationship between Superman, Clark and Lois was too good of one to toss.

The triangle for two didn’t have to be an adversarial one as Azz and Lee contend.  There was an organic progression (oops comic creator speak) of their relationship when Lois knew and Clark confessed.  Clark/Superman evolved to show introspection as well as his neverending battle.   Thus, adding to the character, not detracting from it. – me

The interviewer Kilgore T:

Personally, I don’t care for Lois Lane. TOO manly for me. Lois is the masculine part of the relationship. Superman, the nurturer, is the female. It doesn’t work.

Many fans thought this aspect of the most powerful being in the universe made it work completely and successfully.  — me

Lee’s response:

I agree. I never had the hots for her either…but we hope to change yer mind in 212.

which had the panel between Superman and Lois that he used for the Justice League #12 cover.

From 2005 to 2008, Jim Lee drew All Star Batman and Robin (which he never finished).  In that story, Superman was with Wonder Woman as they are in all of Frank Miller stories.  Since it was a previous Wildstorm insider who told us of supers with supers – perhaps the idea of the fauxmance was firmly planted and nurtured in Mr. Lee’s mind during this time.

Remember Jim Lee became co-publisher of DC Entertainment in early 2010 and the editorial retreat was in October, 2010, when the new 52 was created.  That means he had/has the power to decide what version of Superman readers get.  New 52 Superman is very much action oriented. Lee’s wreckage and destruction Supes.  And Lois, who did not raise his body temperature, was out as well as the marriage and any courtship.  He did make his and Kilgore’s idea of Superman so.

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Some creators have spoken a disdain for the internet.  Maybe because what gets put on the web, stays on the web.

 

 

 

 

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May 31, 2015. Tags: , , , , , , , . Baudy's Reviews, BaudyBlahBlahBlah, Lois Lane, Superman. 2 comments.

SUPERMAN???

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You won’t be seeing this guy anytime soon if at all ever.

In its quest to show Superman is unrelatable to a modern audience, DC Entertainment continues tearing the character apart. And you thought the new 52 was bad? DCYOU is Superman destruction in hyperdrive.

Since Superman is known in every HOUSEHOLD around the globe, the DCYOU version would be unrecognizable to the ‘man on the street’ (that would include males from 14 to 34 years old, DC Entertainment, just saying).

Anyone who was born since 1938 (and some folks before) knows these aspects of Superman:

THE CAPE: His indestructible baby blanket cape has ripped. Yes, an indestructible thing ripped. Why did it rip? So he can protect his now powerless hands.

S-SHIELD: Yes, he has one. BUT, in the new 52 his S-shield formulated his majestic collared, biological Kryptonian armor. (Because y’know, Martha Kent wasn’t worthy enough to even assist in making one.) In the DCYOU, the S-shield apparently only had enough power to create jeans, t-shirt, and workboots before it was taken away by the Fortress of Solitude. (Don’t worry the Fortress of Solitude was taken away, too.) Now he apparently gets his S t-shirts from Target/Walmart/K-Mart or Superheroes Discount. See more information regarding the supersuit under POWERS.

SPITCURL: Gone since the new 52 along with the red trunks.  Superman always had great hair, but not anymore.  He’s got a buzzcut which he does not use his heat vision to trim.

FLYING: Yes, I know Richard Donner proved a man could fly but DC Entertainment seems determined to prove that premise wrong. ‘Superman’ no longer flies or leaps tall buildings. His addiction to a new power has rendered him powerless. Yes DCYOU Superman has an addictive personality now. His strong will died at the birth of the new 52.

POWERS: He has none. Nope, not even electrical powers. His most important power was using his heart first to make decisions but that was sacrificed in the new 52.  His powerlessness makes him dependent on Batman to pick him up naked (don’t know what happened to indestructible cape) so Alfred could make him new costumeS (plural). (Alfred is worthy, Martha Kent is not.)

CLARK KENT: Nope. He’s currently without identity. He’s a man without a name. Clark Kent was a non-entity in the new 52. Superman was/is a battling alien without human tethers. And Clark Kent ‘died’ in Batman/Superman Annual 2. As to Jonathan and Martha Kent, they died. (no human tethers) The new 52 Superman acted as if he didn’t learn anything during his 18 years with them. Superman had to bury them twice. First, their UNTIMELY deaths by 5th dimensional character, Lord Vyndyktvx and the second, when they were zombies via the Ultrahumanite.

DAILY PLANET: Clark left the Daily Planet after he started dating Wonder Woman. (Remember, no human tethers). Supposedly started a blog with Cat Grant where he wrote less than 3 articles. Geoff Johns (Richard Donner’s former assistance and now Chief Creative Office for DCE) tried to bring Clark back to the DP, but that was just a blip on the radar which immediately faded for the DCYOU.

METROPOLIS: Not so much. Not when he has to hang with the Justice League (remember, no human tethers). DCYOU Superman is now spreading his vigilantism to Gotham, too. He can’t fly so I guess the rest of the world that can’t be reached by a motorcycle full of gas is safe.

LOIS LANE: Is seen ever so slightly more than Clark Kent, but she is restricted by so many laws. DC Entertainment’s law of supers with supers – she’s not a super so she can’t be with Clark/Superman. (But if he’s powerless & more or less nameless how can he still be dating Wonder Woman? It’s not Lois, so it’s okay to break the rule.) Lois is dating another guy who is rarely seen and makes Superman so despondent. (Clark hasn’t liked any kind of challenge since the new 52 began.) The reason for the boyfriend, 5 years of story that readers have never seen so Superman could date Wonder Woman. Recently Peter Tomasi writer (and also an editor at DCE) has Wonder Woman wanting to be a reporter along side Clark. Then there’s the anyone-but-Lois law fans are VERY familiar with. Lois Lane is not allowed to be in Action Comics (yes, the book that launched everything and the superhero genre, too) since Greg Pak took over (don’t blame Greg, it’s editorial’s fault). Pak has Lana Lang filling the pages of Action. With DCYOU he will not only be adding Jimmy Olsen but a new female character with the initials LL (not Lois, remember the law) who will be a friend to Superman and play an important role. Lois will appear in the Superman book, written by newcomer Gene Luen Yang, but she’s been introduced in the DCYOU as a backstabbing betrayer of Superman’s dual identity (rarely seen) which makes him lose everything. Previous to all this, DCE actually had a Lois Lane solo book but deemed it not worthy of a PR team to promote it. So when we say Lois is a non-entity, we mean DCE is getting rid of her. How do you introduce a beloved character as the purveyor of so much destruction when she has always been THE ONE to believe in the Man of Steel? How does DCE turn that around? They don’t. They haven’t. And they obviously don’t want to.

FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE: Gone. Recently rebuilt because Wonder Woman imploded the Phantom Zone. The FOS is running on all cylinders brainwise. It recognizes this ‘new’ Superman is a phony and takes the indestructible cape (most of it) and the biological S-shield. DCE says the FOS made Superman’s life too easy and too comfortable. This is reminiscent of their statements regarding Lois Lane at the new 52 launch. She was a beautiful trophy wife who made Superman’s life perfect. So now he has a beautiful trophy super girlfriend – what’s the difference? (not Lois so is okay) And Superman’s life is never perfect if you actually deal with his dual identity and his love of humanity, but DCE hasn’t wanted to go there.

Introducing DCYOU Superman:  He rides a Tossr motorcycle which he uses as a weapon while wearing ripped cape remnants on his hands. Wears an S t-shirt, jeans and workboots he bought at the store. He’s basically a vigilante without the Superman status. He could be a nutjob who has convinced himself he’s Superman. But then wouldn’t he be wrapping a red blanket around his neck and jumping off garage roofs? So if you want your Superman to be a Marvel character, this is the guy for you. (Marvel would probably respect the character more than DC Entertainment has the last 5 years.) Where’d he get the motorcycle – he’s the Man of Steal now.

If you’re already a Superman fan, don’t worry this character is not meant for you. DCE is looking for future readers. (much like their new reader hunt. Loyal readers were 98%) Future readers are children, right? WRONG. Kids get the real Superman – all the things DCE has taken from him and the red trunks, too. So what are future readers? An early online survey of the new 52 in 2011 revealed that 23% of their readership was female. That would be about 1 out of 4 readers. DCE execs were wondering why women were more comfortable with online surveys. Even this small percentage of females was too large for the target audience DCE announced they were going for – 14 to 34 year old males. A few years later a survey revealed that their audience was 47% female. Doubled. (almost female to male equality) This occurred when DCE was still shooting for that male target audience. DCE gave 18 million dollars to a company who had a target audience of 18 to 34 year old males so they could make videos for them. DCE has acknowledged their audience has changed but do they like that idea? Perhaps their target audience is allergic to online surveys – is that what DCE wants everyone to believe? (even at 53 to 67% responses from males) Or is it more likely, especially with Superman’s abysmal order numbers, males a running away in droves to await the next lightswitch crisis before they spend their money. And DCE has made their Superman as un-female friendly as possible. New 52 superdouche, anyone?

Future readers appear to be the same ole target audience they’ve been focusing on. But blaming 14 to 34 year old males who don’t read comics yet does them a disservice. How do DCE execs know what these potential readers want? How did they know what the new readers (a mere 2%) wanted? They didn’t. It was what the DCE executives wanted. So Nielsen and Diane Nelson can survey till they are blue in the face if the boyz at the top don’t want Superman to rise from the ashes of his order numbers. A phenomenon DCE execs created.

How much better would Superman stories/orders be if DCE execs even considered males and females like all the things they have taken away from the character. Superman’s mythology.

DCYOU/Divergence is breaking the chains of Superman’s mythology.  So DCYOU Superman is Superman unhinged – not really Superman in any reality.

Fans do not care if DC Entertainment doesn’t like or understand Superman. At this point, it appears DCE execs/editorial despise the character and all he means to his fans. As businessmen (yea, they are mostly males), they need to buck up and give the people what they want. Meaning make some money with this character without these ridiculous restrictions on his mythology.  Isn’t that what business is about?  Making money.  Does Lee/Harras/Didio want to be known as the destroyers of Superman? We shall see, won’t we.

Remember the rule: IF you don’t like it, don’t buy it. The only way to change things is to take a stand and let your voice be heard. Vote with your purchases (or lack thereof).

Let’s not allow the real Superman to go down without a fight or protest from his FANS!

P.S.  Don’t worry Batman fans, your hero gets to keep everything.  He’s still the billionaire playboy with a manor, a batcave, batmobile, batplane, etc., utility belt, cowl, Alfred, 5 Robins, and still fighting in Gotham City,  Plus Joker is immortal and Batman becomes a god in the Darkseid War.  No regressions for him.  Is it any wonder Batman sells 200 to 400% more books than any Superman book?  He gets to keep ALL of his mythology plus given even more added abilities.

May 25, 2015. Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . Baudy's Reviews, BaudyBlahBlahBlah, Lois Lane, Superman. Leave a comment.

Do You Feel Cheated by DC Entertainment?

Since September, 2011 many Superman fans have felt cheated.  He’s not the guy about hope, champion of the oppressed or even about loving humanity.  In fact, since the beginning of the new 52 era, there has been no love in the DCU at all.

In 1938, Action Comics #1 started a genre of global proportions.  Portraying an alien with extraordinary powers, who had a human identity.  Clark Kent/Superman (one and the same) was cast as a romantic hero from the start.  It has served the character and his fans well for over 70 years.

Enter DC Entertainment and their treatment of the character & his mythology which is known in every HOUSEHOLD around the world.

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In 1938, the cornerstone of what was to follow through 7 decades, we have the pursuit and challenge of a personal relationship.  Clark Kent and Lois Lane.  Beginning in 2012, we have DC Entertainment’s version of a personal relationship.  Loneliness, fear and grief.  Supers should be with supers according to one DCE insider, a former Wildstorm creator.  Characters should be with their own kind?  Segregation?  Are DC superheroes now the X-men?

Apparently DC Entertainment is not familiar with Superman vs the Klu Klux Klan or even Superman and the Mole Men?  Superman no longer loves humanity.  He truly has no purpose in saving anyone.  He’s only been allowed to save the Earth from huge superpowered villains.  Never allowed to be Clark Kent, journalist, fighting evil using the power of the pen, his heart and his mind.  Human readers are supposed to be complacent with a Superman/Clark who never takes on the evil of their everyday lives that they can relate to.

No inspiring readers to aspire.  No cheering on the power of the individual.  Superman is hogtied to his superfriends.  Recently he’s acquired a power that will make him ‘human’ for 24 hours and he’s been using it to the extent that he needs Batman to rescue him (naked, no less) and have Alfred make him a new costume every single time.  Dependency on the group.  Powerless on his own.

Fans of the 70-plus relationship of Clark/Lois/Superman found another disconcerting aspect to the character under DC Entertainment’s watch.

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In 1938 and in the decades that followed, Clark as Superman tells Lois Lane he means no harm.  To humanity in general and her in particular.

In the new 52, Superman #27 written by Scott Lobdell, a former creator for Marvel and Wildstorm, shows Clark as Superman deciding to allow Parasite to extract the knowledge of his secret from Lois Lane’s brain.  This was after she had saved him several times with her psionic powers.  Not even the Silver Age of superdickery had Superman harming Lois Lane in this fashion.

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Twelve issues later, Geoff Johns in Superman #38 lightswitched Clark telling Jimmy Olsen he was Superman.  Never happened before in the entire 75-plus years of Superman’s existence.

So what if Lois did know but didn’t tell Clark she knew.  It’s happened many times and for many years previously.  In multimedia, not just comics.

DC Entertainment is not going to go there.  They’re looking for new future readers this summer for their revamp of what used to be called the new 52.  Earth Zero.  (or as some fans call it, Earth Loser)

Divergence is the codename for this summer’s event.  Superman will have a crossover between his books.  Action (which Lois has not been allowed in by editorial since Greg Pak took over), Batman/Superman (which Lois has been featured), Superman/Wonder Woman (need I say that Lois won’t be gracing that book unless you count Diana wanting to be a reporter along side Clark) and Superman (the book Geoff Johns abandoned to concentrate on television where he obviously has more control).

On Free Comic Book Day, readers got an 8 page ‘preview’ of what was to come in June, 2015.  Lois Lane has outed Clark Kent as Superman.  How did she find out?  Did she always know?  If so, then why at this time did she decide to out him?  And why make her to be perceived as the villain?  I doubt any of these questions will be answered as the storytelling has been lacking since DCE took over. (This story is being written by newcomer Gene Luen Yang as his first fray into the breech known as DCE.)

“Truth”, the name of the crossover event says ” For Superman, there’s no holding back.”  Back from what?  He’s got a crewcut, t-shirt, jeans, workboots, no cape, nearly powerless and riding a motorcycle.  And he’s on the run because his “best friend” (Lois, a relationship that was never adequately depicted for years) outed him.

Since September, 2011, Superman fans have had a 5 year gap in his new history, only lip service to a dual identity (like it’s a bad thing or used as a weapon against Lois), and no triangle for two at all.

So instead of continuing to cheat Superman readers, DC Entertainment is not holding back from ripping us off?  Because basically since September, 2011, Superman  has been in moniker only, not in character or mythology.  No longer the romantic hero we all remember and have depicted in other multi-million dollar media.

I guess those former execs from Marvel and Wildstorm know more about DC heroes than their fans do, right?  Or do they have Dr. Fate tied up somewhere telling them what the future readers want?

 

May 19, 2015. Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , . Baudy's Reviews, BaudyBlahBlahBlah, Lois Lane, Superman. 2 comments.